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Milton Middleson Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 141	Posted - 2012.11.02 20:28:00 - [1] - Quote As a TD fetishist, I think the nerf to unbonused TDs is okay. I don't think unbonused ewar should be really weak, though, especially since that is essentially what armor tankers are trading damage and speed for. Well, that and sig radius. As a guy who thinks ECM is a terrible, terrible mechanic, I'm all for the nerf, but I don't think it actually addresses the problem. It just makes ECM worse. Quote: On every other ewar ship, you can fit your ewar module(s) and a tank. A reasonable tank. That is not the case with ECM boats. You can have a tank or you can be effective as ewar. Rooks and Falcons are both capable of fitting an okay shield tank + prop and still have 4 jammers. ECM pilots choose not to tank their ships at present because there isn't much of a reason to.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 141	Posted - 2012.11.02 20:37:00 - [2] - Quote Harvey James wrote: Milton Middleson wrote: As a TD fetishist, I think the nerf to unbonused TDs is okay. I don't think unbonused ewar should be really weak, though, especially since that is essentially what armor tankers are trading damage and speed for. Well, that and sig radius. As a guy who thinks ECM is a terrible, terrible mechanic, I'm all for the nerf, but I don't think it actually addresses the problem. It just makes ECM worse. Quote: On every other ewar ship, you can fit your ewar module(s) and a tank. A reasonable tank. That is not the case with ECM boats. You can have a tank or you can be effective as ewar. Rooks and Falcons are both capable of fitting an okay shield tank + prop and still have 4 jammers. ECM pilots choose not to tank their ships at present because there isn't much of a reason to. most people plate falcons or rooks Most falcons I've seen have been DC tanked, followed by armor tanked (as have most Griffins, Blackbirds and Scorpions). I've never actually seen a Rook in combat. My point is that aside from Griffins/Kitsunes, ECM pilots make a deliberate choice to forgo a decent tank in favor of MOAR JAMS, because ECM at a distance is a better tank than actual tank modules.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 142	Posted - 2012.11.05 01:58:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: Not so. Everyone can still fit a prop and tackle mod in a mid. So almost every ship is losing at least two slots from a shield tank (unless we're talking a fleet fit). And, even if the other racial ewar mods are not nerfed the same way ecm was, so that only the ecm boats are worth fitting it on, then people may still choose to fit damps, TDs, and painters. But currently a TD is too powerful in small ships that carry no bonuses for it's use. That should change. Please elaborate on why tracking disruptors are too effective on unbonused ships. Seriously, Ewar/utility is just about the only thing armor ships have going for them right now.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 142	Posted - 2012.11.05 16:14:00 - [4] - Quote Bienator II wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: I have a HG Halo implant clone. When coupled with a Loki booster it has the following impact on some ships' signature radii: Wolf - 33m to 16m Thrasher - 56m to 28m SFI - 96m to 48m And we want to add a skill to further lower sig radius? Tell me more of this 'I win' button. What if we nerf the Loki booster first? or all off grid booster at once... I think they should seriously consider doing the OGB nerf in much the same manner that they implemented the early FW changes. Except with less warning. Like none at all.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 156	Posted - 2012.11.12 15:58:00 - [5] - Quote People keep saying Ewar on unbonused ships should be crap, and they don't say why. Every single type of Ewar should be a worthwhile fitting choice on an unbonused ship - neuts, TDs, TPs, ECM, Damps. It adds tactical options and further depth to combat. The fact that TDs and neuts are the only ones remotely approaching a working state right now is a reason to fix (or replace) ECM, Damps, and TPs. Or I guess we could keep measuring all ships by how fast they go and how much DPS they do with a shield tank.

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